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		<title>By: Susan Getgood</title>
		<link>http://getgood.com/roadmaps/2006/08/07/open-your-eyes-blogs-and-gender/comment-page-1/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Getgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Kristin. It is great to hear the perspective of young women and men on this issue. Looking forward to getting to know you and your fellow Auburn students this semester.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Kristin. It is great to hear the perspective of young women and men on this issue. Looking forward to getting to know you and your fellow Auburn students this semester.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a college student who has recently become introduced to blogging, I feel that in many cases, even outside of the PR world, many professions are still dominated by men and it is still difficult to understand why.
Groups are formed and conferences are held to try and help support women in the working world, and I support these groups.
However, for the most part, it makes sense to me that the male dominated professions are harder for women to break into because this is the way it has always been (even though this doesn&#039;t make it right).
However, what doesn&#039;t make sense to me is why in the PR world, which I feel is mostly dominated by women, blogging is still dominated by men?
The majority of my PR classes are filled with women who will then dominate the field after graduation.  I am puzzled as to why men are still able to have such a stronger hold in blogging than women.
But as I said, as a person who has just been
introduced to blogging, this is only my first impression of this situiation and I will keep these points of view in mind as I become more involved in the blogging world.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a college student who has recently become introduced to blogging, I feel that in many cases, even outside of the PR world, many professions are still dominated by men and it is still difficult to understand why.<br />
Groups are formed and conferences are held to try and help support women in the working world, and I support these groups.<br />
However, for the most part, it makes sense to me that the male dominated professions are harder for women to break into because this is the way it has always been (even though this doesn&#8217;t make it right).<br />
However, what doesn&#8217;t make sense to me is why in the PR world, which I feel is mostly dominated by women, blogging is still dominated by men?<br />
The majority of my PR classes are filled with women who will then dominate the field after graduation.  I am puzzled as to why men are still able to have such a stronger hold in blogging than women.<br />
But as I said, as a person who has just been<br />
introduced to blogging, this is only my first impression of this situiation and I will keep these points of view in mind as I become more involved in the blogging world.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda:

I&#039;ll take that as a compliment! :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take that as a compliment! <img src='http://getgood.com/roadmaps/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Chapel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda Chapel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear John,

Sometimes I think you blog like a girl.

:)

- Amanda
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear John,</p>
<p>Sometimes I think you blog like a girl.<br />
 <img src='http://getgood.com/roadmaps/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>- Amanda</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen Van Kerckhove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmen Van Kerckhove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John,

I hope you didn&#039;t take the last line of my comment to mean &quot;well, if you&#039;re white you don&#039;t understand.&quot;

What I meant was that if you&#039;re in the majority, you tend to not have to think about things that affect the minority.

For example, as a right-handed person I never have to think about being right-handed because the world is designed around my needs.

Or living a comfortable middle-class existence, I don&#039;t have to think about the fact that if I was poor, I&#039;d probably end up paying more for stuff than I do now. Check out Barbara Ehrenreich&#039;s post about the &quot;poor tax&quot; or &quot;ghetto tax&quot;:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ehrenreich.blogs.com/barbaras_blog/2006/07/could_you_affor.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ehrenreich.blogs.com/barbaras_blog/2006/07/could_you_affor.html&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John,</p>
<p>I hope you didn&#8217;t take the last line of my comment to mean &#8220;well, if you&#8217;re white you don&#8217;t understand.&#8221;</p>
<p>What I meant was that if you&#8217;re in the majority, you tend to not have to think about things that affect the minority.</p>
<p>For example, as a right-handed person I never have to think about being right-handed because the world is designed around my needs.</p>
<p>Or living a comfortable middle-class existence, I don&#8217;t have to think about the fact that if I was poor, I&#8217;d probably end up paying more for stuff than I do now. Check out Barbara Ehrenreich&#8217;s post about the &#8220;poor tax&#8221; or &#8220;ghetto tax&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://ehrenreich.blogs.com/barbaras_blog/2006/07/could_you_affor.html" rel="nofollow">http://ehrenreich.blogs.com/barbaras_blog/2006/07/could_you_affor.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Susan Getgood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Getgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Please don&#039;t feel picked on. I admire you for trying to understand the issue. Certainly no one here is saying that because you&#039;re a white guy, there&#039;s no way you can understand what we are talking about. But, I do think it is harder for you (and other WM) because by and large, what we are talking about is beyond your experience. You sympathize, maybe even empathize, but you haven&#039;t lived it.

And in answer to your question, how would a woman/minority feel if the statement were reversed -- you don&#039;t get it (can&#039;t have it) because you aren&#039;t a white man.....

Well, it happens all the time. It has happened in subtle ways and in overt ways to women and minorities for years. It&#039;s the politics of exclusion, and it is one of the reasons I am so vocal on this issue.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t feel picked on. I admire you for trying to understand the issue. Certainly no one here is saying that because you&#8217;re a white guy, there&#8217;s no way you can understand what we are talking about. But, I do think it is harder for you (and other WM) because by and large, what we are talking about is beyond your experience. You sympathize, maybe even empathize, but you haven&#8217;t lived it.</p>
<p>And in answer to your question, how would a woman/minority feel if the statement were reversed &#8212; you don&#8217;t get it (can&#8217;t have it) because you aren&#8217;t a white man&#8230;..</p>
<p>Well, it happens all the time. It has happened in subtle ways and in overt ways to women and minorities for years. It&#8217;s the politics of exclusion, and it is one of the reasons I am so vocal on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the all the opposing points.  Interesting discussion.

Some thoughts ...

First off, I don&#039;t have a problem with efforts like BlogHer (even though I&#039;m not a conference-goer myself). :)

Second, if any of you believe that being a white male is always the answer, think again.

Take blogging, for example.  There is a definite divide between the &quot;techy&quot; white male PR bloggers and the non-techy PR WMB.

That divide is evident in links, in comments, in every aspect of what defines a popular blogger.  If you work in Silicon Valley or with tech-based companies, you tend to write about tech issues, and you therefore get more links from the many tech-oriented PR bloggers.

If you&#039;re in agricultural PR, or energy, or what have you, not so much.

So these segmentations aren&#039;t just race or gender biased.  And they don&#039;t just impact women or minorities.

In fact, I would argue that there are two main &quot;circles&quot; of PR bloggers -- the insiders and the outsiders.  There is little interaction between the two.  But that&#039;s okay.

Remember, it&#039;s not supposed to be about the number of people you impact.

On a related note, I read several blogs about race and racial issues, and I&#039;m often surprised at how often minorities will close off a discussion with &quot;well, if you&#039;re white you don&#039;t understand.&quot;

While there may be some truth to that, it&#039;s not really advancing the issue any, is it?  I get the sense that many of the comments here are in that same vein ... &quot;well, you&#039;re a white man ... what would you know?&quot;

And how would the flip side of that be taken, if I were to tell a woman or minority that she/he &quot;can&#039;t understand this or that because they aren&#039;t a white male?&quot;

That would deemed racist/sexist, wouldn&#039;t it?  This double standard is one of the most frustrating things about discussions such as these.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the all the opposing points.  Interesting discussion.</p>
<p>Some thoughts &#8230;</p>
<p>First off, I don&#8217;t have a problem with efforts like BlogHer (even though I&#8217;m not a conference-goer myself). <img src='http://getgood.com/roadmaps/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Second, if any of you believe that being a white male is always the answer, think again.</p>
<p>Take blogging, for example.  There is a definite divide between the &#8220;techy&#8221; white male PR bloggers and the non-techy PR WMB.</p>
<p>That divide is evident in links, in comments, in every aspect of what defines a popular blogger.  If you work in Silicon Valley or with tech-based companies, you tend to write about tech issues, and you therefore get more links from the many tech-oriented PR bloggers.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in agricultural PR, or energy, or what have you, not so much.</p>
<p>So these segmentations aren&#8217;t just race or gender biased.  And they don&#8217;t just impact women or minorities.</p>
<p>In fact, I would argue that there are two main &#8220;circles&#8221; of PR bloggers &#8212; the insiders and the outsiders.  There is little interaction between the two.  But that&#8217;s okay.</p>
<p>Remember, it&#8217;s not supposed to be about the number of people you impact.</p>
<p>On a related note, I read several blogs about race and racial issues, and I&#8217;m often surprised at how often minorities will close off a discussion with &#8220;well, if you&#8217;re white you don&#8217;t understand.&#8221;</p>
<p>While there may be some truth to that, it&#8217;s not really advancing the issue any, is it?  I get the sense that many of the comments here are in that same vein &#8230; &#8220;well, you&#8217;re a white man &#8230; what would you know?&#8221;</p>
<p>And how would the flip side of that be taken, if I were to tell a woman or minority that she/he &#8220;can&#8217;t understand this or that because they aren&#8217;t a white male?&#8221;</p>
<p>That would deemed racist/sexist, wouldn&#8217;t it?  This double standard is one of the most frustrating things about discussions such as these.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisa Camahort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisa Camahort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan: your post-BlogHer writing has been on fire! And the conversations you are catalyzing with that posting have been on fire too.

I&#039;m just going to start pointing people here with a &quot;like she said&quot; when they ask &quot;why BlogHer?&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan: your post-BlogHer writing has been on fire! And the conversations you are catalyzing with that posting have been on fire too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just going to start pointing people here with a &#8220;like she said&#8221; when they ask &#8220;why BlogHer?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Getgood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Getgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it isn&#039;t just in the PR blogosphere that we see this phenomenon.

Just for kicks, I checked out the program for PRSA&#039;s international conference this fall. Whether you think the organization itself is lame or not, the speakers list is quite telling. In the guts of the program (panels and sessions, workshops and so on), the split is pretty even, male/female.

At the top of the program, though, it is all men. Three keynotes and two fireside chats (whatever that is.) In a profession that is heavily populated by women, there wasn&#039;t a single woman this group could find to put on the top of the program with the boys?

Puh-leez.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it isn&#8217;t just in the PR blogosphere that we see this phenomenon.</p>
<p>Just for kicks, I checked out the program for PRSA&#8217;s international conference this fall. Whether you think the organization itself is lame or not, the speakers list is quite telling. In the guts of the program (panels and sessions, workshops and so on), the split is pretty even, male/female.</p>
<p>At the top of the program, though, it is all men. Three keynotes and two fireside chats (whatever that is.) In a profession that is heavily populated by women, there wasn&#8217;t a single woman this group could find to put on the top of the program with the boys?</p>
<p>Puh-leez.</p>
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		<title>By: Kami Huyse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kami Huyse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not picking on John, but he was the only opposiing viewpoint in this dicussion, I have

&quot;In the PR profession -- without even a shadow of a doubt -- the dominant group is women. Yet there are few women PR bloggers, comparatively.

That&#039;s not the fault of any system or any favoritism. That&#039;s just the way it is.&quot;

Well, my question is why is that &quot;just the way it is?&quot;

I don&#039;t have all the answers, but it seems that the system by which the online community is ordered (as Susan said links) inherently favors men, maybe becasue they were early adopters.  Women also favor men.  The links out from my site go primarily to men.  So, women are part of the problem too.  Couple that with the fact that many of us (women) feel uncomfortable with women-centric events (me included), and viola, we perpetuate our own problem.

It&#039;s a strange world when women can dominate a profession, but not dominate its voice.

I can&#039;t speak on the minority issue with any authority, but it is hard to be heard from the bottom of the hill, and both women and minorities suffer from this vantage point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not picking on John, but he was the only opposiing viewpoint in this dicussion, I have</p>
<p>&#8220;In the PR profession &#8212; without even a shadow of a doubt &#8212; the dominant group is women. Yet there are few women PR bloggers, comparatively.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the fault of any system or any favoritism. That&#8217;s just the way it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, my question is why is that &#8220;just the way it is?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have all the answers, but it seems that the system by which the online community is ordered (as Susan said links) inherently favors men, maybe becasue they were early adopters.  Women also favor men.  The links out from my site go primarily to men.  So, women are part of the problem too.  Couple that with the fact that many of us (women) feel uncomfortable with women-centric events (me included), and viola, we perpetuate our own problem.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a strange world when women can dominate a profession, but not dominate its voice.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak on the minority issue with any authority, but it is hard to be heard from the bottom of the hill, and both women and minorities suffer from this vantage point.</p>
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